Performing at Schnepf Farms: When the Music Becomes Part of the Background


An artist’s perspective on performing outdoors, competing for an audience’s attention, and discovering that not every stage creates the same experience.

There is a significant difference between playing music for an audience and playing music in a place where an audience happens to be. That distinction became particularly clear during a recent conversation about a performance at Schnepf Farms in Queen Creek, Arizona.

I learned about the experience while sitting with my friend, who I will call "Sam" for this discussion. Sam, an experienced musician who performs at a variety of venues, had recently played at Schnepf Farms. As he described the afternoon, I realized that his experience offered another interesting perspective on something I have been exploring in my writing: how the venue itself changes the relationship between the performer and the audience. It was a revealing example of how much more goes into a performance than the time spent onstage.

A Farm Is Not a Concert Hall

Schnepf Farms is a destination where visitors come to enjoy the atmosphere, food, seasonal activities, and family entertainment. Music is one part of that experience, but it isn’t necessarily the reason people are there. And that makes an enormous difference to the performer.

Sam described an outdoor stage positioned near picnic tables, with families moving between activities, children running around, and people enjoying corn, chili, hot dogs, and other refreshments. Some visitors were seated. Others were walking through. Many were focused on eating, talking, or keeping track of their children. The musicians were providing entertainment, but they were competing with everything else happening around them.

I found myself thinking about how different that is from performing in a theater, where the audience has purchased a ticket, taken a seat, and made a conscious decision to listen. At Schnepf Farms, the audience hadn’t necessarily made that commitment. The performer had to earn their attention, often repeatedly.

When the Sound System Works Against You

One of Sam's greatest frustrations was the sound system. He described speakers positioned on either side of the stage, with picnic tables extending back beneath an overhead covering. The problem was simple: there wasn’t enough sound reinforcement to reach the entire audience effectively. Even with the controls turned all the way up, the system couldn’t deliver the volume or clarity he needed.

For a musician, this isn’t merely an inconvenience. Sound affects everything. If the performer can’t hear the proper balance of voice and instrument, it becomes more difficult to judge the performance. If the audience can’t hear clearly, even the most carefully selected song may fail to connect.

Sam compared his approach to adjusting a photograph. A photographer looks at an image and notices whether the lighting is too strong, the colors are unbalanced, or a particular element needs correction. A musician does something similar with sound. Sam often begins with a familiar song, such as “Kansas City,” because he knows how it should sound. That gives him a reference point for evaluating the acoustics and making adjustments.

I particularly appreciated that analogy because it connects two artistic disciplines. Whether working with sound or imagery, the artist is constantly interpreting feedback and making corrections. But there is a limit to what technique can accomplish. A photographer cannot always overcome terrible lighting without additional equipment. A musician cannot make an underpowered sound system deliver more than it is capable of producing. Sometimes the environment establishes limitations that skill alone cannot overcome.

The Audience That Isn’t Really Listening

Perhaps the most revealing part of Sam's experience was his description of the audience. It wasn’t necessarily an unfriendly audience. It was a distracted one.

Families had been walking around the farm, waiting in food lines, and managing children. When they finally found a picnic table, they were ready to sit, eat, and relax. Music was happening nearby, but listening wasn’t necessarily their priority. From the audience’s perspective, that may have been perfectly reasonable. From the performer’s perspective, it was exhausting.

A musician depends on feedback. Applause, eye contact, laughter, singing along, or even a quiet but attentive expression can communicate that a connection is happening. When those signals are missing, the performer has to work harder to maintain energy and confidence.

Sam described the experience as a difficult crowd to engage. And I wondered whether the real problem was the audience at all. Perhaps the setting had simply created different expectations. The visitors were there for a day at the farm. The musicians were there to perform. Those two purposes don’t always align.

Improvisation Becomes a Survival Skill

One of the things I enjoy about watching experienced performers is their ability to respond to unexpected situations. Sam described a moment when a train passed behind the stage while he was singing. Rather than ignoring the interruption, he incorporated it into the song, improvising lyrics about the train. A nearby listener noticed, and the moment became part of the entertainment.

That is something a recording cannot easily reproduce. A live performer can react to the environment, acknowledge the unexpected, and turn an interruption into a connection. But improvisation requires energy and concentration.

Sam also described having a planned list of songs, only to find himself changing his selections as the performance progressed. Between the distractions, the sound problems, and the heat, it became increasingly difficult to maintain the original plan. He had to keep making decisions. Which song would work next? What would capture attention? Should he change the tempo? Would something familiar work better than something more complicated?

The audience sees a musician playing. The musician is simultaneously evaluating dozens of variables.

The Physical Cost of an Outdoor Performance

There is another aspect of outdoor performance that audiences may not appreciate: the physical demands. Sam described a cloudy beginning to the afternoon, followed by the sun emerging partway through his set. The temperature seemed to rise immediately, and performing became considerably more uncomfortable.

There was the heat, the need to stay hydrated, the effort of playing and singing, and the challenge of remaining entertaining despite the conditions. Then there was the time involved. Sam estimated that the actual performance lasted somewhere around forty minutes to an hour, but the commitment extended far beyond that. There was the preparation, the equipment, the drive, the arrival, the performance itself, and the journey home.

And the journey home presented another challenge. As rain approached, Sam found himself searching for his car in a parking area that consisted largely of open fields. He had tried to remember where he parked by using a line of trees as a landmark, but navigating the fields after a tiring performance wasn’t easy.

By the time he finally arrived home, he was exhausted. It was a reminder that a relatively short performance can represent an entire day of physical and mental effort.

Not Every Stage at Schnepf Farms Is the Same

One of the more interesting distinctions in Sam's account was that he had enjoyed performing at Schnepf Farms in a different setting. He described a smaller patio area near the gift shop and food service, where open-mic performances have been held. That environment felt more intimate and comfortable. People could order food, sit nearby, and listen. The physical space made the relationship between performer and audience more natural.

The larger outdoor stage, by contrast, placed the musicians within a much broader recreational environment. The audience was dispersed, the distractions were numerous, and the sound system struggled to bridge the distance.

Same destination, but a different performance environment and a different artistic experience.

That distinction is important because it would be unfair to evaluate the entire venue based on a single stage or event. A space that works beautifully for one type of entertainment may be much less effective for another. A full band might create the energy and sound needed to engage a large outdoor crowd, while a smaller acoustic performance might be better suited to a more intimate setting. The design of the performance space matters just as much as the talent onstage.

What Does a Successful Performance Really Mean?

As Sam talked, I kept returning to a question that interests me across different art forms. How do we measure artistic success? Is a musical performance successful because the musician played well, because the audience applauded, because people stopped to listen, or because the venue provided an enjoyable atmosphere? Or is success measured by the performer’s ability to adapt, improvise, and deliver the best possible experience under difficult circumstances?

I don’t think those questions have identical answers. A musician may perform exceptionally well in an environment that makes meaningful audience engagement almost impossible. Conversely, an enthusiastic audience can transform an imperfect performance into a memorable experience. The relationship between performer, audience, and environment is far more complicated than it appears.

And perhaps that’s what makes live performance so interesting. Unlike a painting hanging on a wall or a recording played through headphones, live music exists in a particular place at a particular moment. The weather matters. The acoustics matter. The audience matters. Even a passing train can become part of the artwork.

Next Time, I’ll Be on the Other Side

I haven’t finished exploring Schnepf Farms. In fact, Sam's experience has made me more curious about it. I plan to attend a performance there as an audience member and observe the experience from the other side.

Will I notice the same sound limitations? Will the music feel like background entertainment, or will it draw me into the performance? Will the setting encourage me to sit and listen, or will I find myself enjoying the larger atmosphere of the farm? And how much will the type of music, the size of the audience, and the particular performance space influence my impression?

Those questions deserve their own article. For now, Sam's account has given me a renewed appreciation for the work that happens beyond the microphone: the adjustments, improvisation, persistence, and professionalism required to keep performing when the environment isn’t cooperating.

A stage provides a place to perform, but it doesn’t necessarily provide an audience that is ready to listen. And sometimes, the greatest artistry lies in finding a way to connect anyway.

Note: artwork by me for a 2026 exhibition at ASU Gammage.  See here.


What Could Possibly Go Right? A Question Worth Asking

 


Why Danny Meyer’s New Book Deserves a Place on Your Reading List

We spend an extraordinary amount of time thinking about what could go wrong. We anticipate problems, prepare for setbacks, evaluate risks, and develop contingency plans. Whether we’re building a business, pursuing a creative passion, managing a team, or simply navigating life, we’re often encouraged to identify everything that might fail before taking the next step. But what happens when we reverse the question?

What could possibly go right?

That is the intriguing question behind Danny Meyer’s new book, What Could Possibly Go Right?: The Essential Journey to Scale an Enduring Culture. It’s a refreshing change in perspective, and I think it’s a question worth exploring.

Why I Chose This Book

My interest in this book has a personal connection to something I experienced last weekend when I attended 300 Paintings at ASU Gammage. The performance left me thinking about creativity, experimentation, expectations, and what happens when we allow ourselves to explore possibilities without knowing exactly where they will lead.

As an artist, I am particularly interested in the relationship between creative intention and unexpected outcomes. We often begin a project with a vision of what we want to accomplish, but the creative process has a way of introducing possibilities we never anticipated. Sometimes those discoveries become more interesting than the original plan.

My experience at 300 Paintings prompted me to think more deeply about the importance of remaining open to those possibilities. It also made me consider how much of our thinking is shaped by expectations, assumptions, and the desire to control the outcome. What might happen if we approached our creative endeavors, professional challenges, and everyday decisions with a greater willingness to discover what could go right?

That question led me to Danny Meyer’s book. Although his world of hospitality and business may seem far removed from an artistic performance, I see an interesting connection between the two. Both invite us to examine the environments we create, the experiences we share, and the possibilities that emerge when we challenge conventional thinking.

I’ll be exploring my experience at 300 Paintings, along with the ideas and questions it inspired, in a separate blog post that will be published soon. For now, it provides an interesting starting point for why this particular book caught my attention.

The Man Behind the Question

Danny Meyer is no stranger to building something that lasts. As the founder of Union Square Hospitality Group and the entrepreneur behind celebrated hospitality ventures, including Shake Shack, Meyer has spent decades exploring what makes organizations successful. His earlier bestseller, Setting the Table, introduced readers to his philosophy of Enlightened Hospitality, an approach that places people and relationships at the center of business success.

Rather than viewing hospitality simply as excellent customer service, Meyer encouraged leaders to consider how they treat employees, customers, communities, suppliers, and investors. His philosophy suggests that when people feel genuinely valued, extraordinary things become possible. Now, with What Could Possibly Go Right?, Meyer turns his attention toward another challenge: how to grow an organization without losing the culture that made it special in the first place.

Growth Is Easy to Celebrate. Culture Is Harder to Preserve.

We often measure success through numbers. More customers, more revenue, more locations, more employees, and more recognition. But growth can introduce an unexpected problem. The qualities that made a small organization exceptional can become increasingly difficult to maintain as it expands.

Think about a favorite neighborhood restaurant. You return because someone remembers your name, the atmosphere feels welcoming, the employees seem genuinely happy to be there, and the experience feels personal rather than transactional. Then the restaurant becomes successful. A second location opens, followed by a third, and eventually the organization grows beyond the founder’s ability to personally influence every interaction. Can the original experience survive?

That question applies far beyond restaurants. It applies to corporations, nonprofit organizations, artistic communities, educational institutions, and even families. How do we preserve what matters most while allowing something to evolve? This is one of the reasons Meyer’s book interests me.

The Power of Asking a Better Question

The title alone offers a valuable shift in perspective. Most of us are familiar with the phrase, “What could possibly go wrong?” It is usually delivered with skepticism, sometimes with humor, and often as a warning. Meyer challenges us to consider the opposite. What if we approached a new opportunity by imagining the possibilities rather than immediately cataloging the dangers? What if we asked what might succeed, what relationships might develop, what unexpected discoveries might emerge, and what positive consequences might follow?

This isn’t about ignoring risks or pretending that failure doesn’t exist. It’s about recognizing that the questions we ask influence the possibilities we are willing to explore. For entrepreneurs, this might mean pursuing an unconventional idea. For leaders, it might mean trusting employees with greater responsibility. For artists, it might mean experimenting with an unfamiliar medium. For travelers, it might mean taking a different route, entering an unfamiliar neighborhood, or accepting an invitation that wasn’t part of the original itinerary. Some of life’s most rewarding experiences begin with curiosity rather than certainty.

What Artists and Creative Thinkers Can Learn From Hospitality

Although Meyer’s professional background is in restaurants and hospitality, I believe the underlying themes are especially relevant to creative people. An artist develops a recognizable style, technique, or visual language. Over time, that identity becomes part of what collectors and audiences appreciate. But artistic growth requires experimentation. How does an artist evolve without abandoning the qualities that make the work distinctive?

The same tension exists in business. An organization needs to innovate while preserving its essential character. Perhaps the answer isn’t to resist change but to understand which values deserve to remain constant. For an artist, those values might include curiosity, originality, craftsmanship, or the desire to communicate an emotional experience. For a business, they might include generosity, trust, respect, and genuine hospitality. The forms may change, but the underlying philosophy can endure.

Thinking back to 300 Paintings, I find myself returning to the idea that creativity involves a certain willingness to surrender control. An artist may establish the conditions for something to happen, but the result can take on a life of its own. Perhaps successful organizations face a similar challenge. They must establish a foundation strong enough to preserve their values while remaining flexible enough to welcome new ideas and unexpected opportunities.

Culture Is What Happens When Nobody Is Watching

One of the most interesting questions surrounding organizational culture is whether it can truly be created through policies and mission statements. Companies frequently publish impressive declarations about their values, but culture is experienced through everyday behavior. It’s how employees treat one another when the manager isn’t present, how a restaurant responds when an order goes wrong, how an organization handles disagreement, disappointment, or unexpected success, and how people behave when doing the right thing is inconvenient.

A company’s culture isn’t simply what its leadership says it believes. It’s what people consistently experience. That distinction makes the subject of Meyer’s book particularly relevant in an era when organizations are growing, restructuring, automating, and incorporating artificial intelligence into everyday operations. Technology may help a business scale its systems, but preserving its humanity requires a different kind of attention.

Why This Book Belongs on More Than a Business Reading List

I am drawn to books that encourage me to look at familiar ideas from a different perspective. The best books don’t simply provide information. They challenge assumptions and introduce questions that stay with us long after we’ve finished reading. What Could Possibly Go Right? offers an opportunity to think about leadership, organizational growth, relationships, and the importance of building something meaningful enough to endure.

You don’t have to own a restaurant or manage a corporation to appreciate those questions. You might be organizing a community project, developing a creative practice, mentoring someone, or considering a new direction in life. At some point, almost everyone confronts the challenge of moving forward without losing sight of what matters. That makes this book relevant well beyond the world of hospitality.

An Invitation to Read and Reflect

I haven’t reached the final page of this book, so this isn’t a traditional book review. It’s an invitation to explore an idea that I find particularly compelling. As you read, consider what values you would refuse to compromise as something you care about grows. Have you ever watched a successful organization lose the qualities that originally made it special? Can a welcoming, people-centered culture be deliberately developed, or must it emerge naturally? What opportunities have you overlooked because you were too focused on what might go wrong?

I suspect that Meyer’s exploration of enduring culture will inspire conversations about far more than business. It may also encourage us to reconsider how we define success. Perhaps success isn’t simply about becoming bigger, wealthier, or more widely recognized. Perhaps it is about creating something that remains meaningful as it grows, something that continues to reflect our values even as circumstances change.

What I find especially appealing about this book is the possibility of applying its central question to everyday life. We don’t need to be launching a company or planning an ambitious project to benefit from a more optimistic perspective. Sometimes the most important changes begin with a simple willingness to imagine a different outcome. Instead of automatically anticipating disappointment, we might allow ourselves to consider the opportunities waiting on the other side of uncertainty.

My experience at 300 Paintings reminded me that some of the most interesting ideas come from encounters we never expected to influence our thinking. I went to experience a performance and came away with questions that extended into art, business, and personal philosophy. Those questions are part of what makes learning so enjoyable. One experience leads to another, and suddenly a book about organizational culture becomes relevant to a conversation about artistic creativity.

Perhaps the most productive question we can ask before beginning something new isn’t what we stand to lose. It’s what we might discover, create, or accomplish if things go right.

And that, to me, is reason enough to put this book on the reading list.


Recommended Reading: What Could Possibly Go Right?: The Essential Journey to Scale an Enduring Culture, by Danny Meyer.

Coming Soon: My reflections on 300 Paintings at ASU Gammage, an experience that inspired me to think more deeply about creativity, expectations, and the possibilities that emerge when we challenge our assumptions.

Sometimes a book earns a place on our reading list because of the answers it promises. Other times, it’s because of the questions it inspires. For me, this one begins with a particularly good question.


Songs in the Key of Jay: A Musical Story That Continues

 Songs in the Key of Jay: A Musical Story That Continues

An upcoming album release with Gary Beckert, a collection of unfinished songs, and the creative connections that give music a life beyond its beginnings.



There are concerts we attend simply because we enjoy the music. And then there are performances that offer something more—a story about the people who created the music and the circumstances that brought it into existence.

This Thursday, October 22, I’m looking forward to attending Gary Beckert’s Arizona album release celebration at The Chill Room in Tempe. The album, Songs in the Key of Jay, is credited to Spunky & Tadpole, and its story has already captured my curiosity.

According to the event announcement, the album features 15 songs started by Spunky Jay Reilly and completed by Gary Beckert, known as Tadpole. It is described as their first and only album.

That raises some fascinating questions. What happens when one musician takes another musician’s unfinished ideas and helps bring them to completion? How much of the original artist remains in the finished composition? And how does the second musician balance preserving the original vision with contributing something personal?

As a visual artist, I find this especially intriguing. We often think of artwork as the creation of a single individual, yet collaboration can produce something neither artist would have created independently.



Gary is also a builder of acoustic guitars, which adds another layer to my curiosity about his creative process. Making an instrument and making music both involve craftsmanship, patience, experimentation, and an understanding of how individual components contribute to the finished work.

The album has already been celebrated on Long Island. Now Gary is bringing the release to the Arizona music community, with an evening featuring several opening performers before his appearance.

I’m looking forward to hearing the songs, learning more about the collaboration, and discovering the stories behind this unusual musical project.

After Thursday’s performance, I’ll return to this article with my impressions of the music, the atmosphere, and the experience of watching Gary introduce these songs to an Arizona audience.

For now, one question stays with me: When an artist completes another artist’s unfinished work, is the result a continuation of the original vision, a new collaboration, or perhaps a little of both?


When the Music Meets the Dinner Table: An Evening at Pho Cao

Continuing My Exploration of Live Music Venues

At Pho Cao, the music arrived with the dinner: a small stage, crowded tables, clinking glasses, and musicians performing only a few steps away. The setting made one question impossible to ignore: How much does a venue shape the way we listen?

My visits to Arizona BBQ Shack and the Tempe Center for the Arts lobby had already shown me that live music changes with its surroundings. Some venues are designed around the performance, with carefully planned acoustics, lighting, and seating. Others, like Pho Cao, weave music into an active restaurant, where listening competes with conversation, service, and the rhythms of an ordinary evening.

Tonight, I added Pho Cao to that comparison—and found that where you sit may matter almost as much as what is being played.

A Table Ten Feet From the Stage



I went with Kim, and Gary joined us, along with someone new we met that evening. Other locals added to the neighborhood atmosphere.

We sat directly in front of the stage, perhaps ten feet from the musicians. In a traditional concert hall, that might be one of the most desirable seats in the house. But in a restaurant, being that close creates a different experience.

We were surrounded by dinner plates, drinking glasses, conversations, and servers moving between tables. The musicians performed just a few steps away while the restaurant continued operating around us. There was no separation between dining and listening; both happened simultaneously.

That is the charm—and the challenge—of a venue like Pho Cao.

The Performers: Emma and James, and the Wild Banshees

Emma and James performed first, hosted by the Wild Banshees.

The stage was small and intimate, with the musicians positioned close together under colorful lighting. From our table, we could watch their expressions, movements, and interactions—details that often disappear in larger venues.

I could see the physical effort of playing, the communication between musicians, and the subtle gestures that held the performance together. The proximity created an almost personal connection.

But it did not guarantee the best listening experience.

The Sound Problem: Ten Feet Can Make a Difference

From our position near the stage, the drums were sometimes too loud relative to the vocals, making it difficult to appreciate the balance of the performance.

People seated farther back experienced almost the opposite problem: they could not hear the voices clearly.

That contrast fascinated me. We were listening to the same musicians in the same room, yet experiencing very different versions of the performance. It made me think about the difference between hearing music and hearing a balanced musical performance.

A drum kit produces considerable acoustic energy on its own, while voices in a restaurant depend heavily on amplification and speaker placement. A mix that seems appropriate in one location may sound entirely different twenty or thirty feet away.

Unlike a purpose-built concert hall, a restaurant may not distribute sound evenly throughout the room. Where you sit becomes part of what you hear.

Turning the Camera Around: Two Perspectives of the Same Room

I took photographs to document this difference.

One shows our table and the stage beyond it, with plates, glasses, and remnants of dinner filling the foreground. It captures the intimacy of the performance.



Another looks toward the back of the restaurant, revealing a long, narrow dining area with booths, hanging lights, and customers seated at varying distances from the musicians.

That view helped me understand why the sound varied so dramatically. The music had to travel through booths, people, conversations, and restaurant activity. Those seated farther back were attending the same event, but not necessarily experiencing the same performance we were.

This raises an interesting question: When a restaurant offers live music, is the goal to create an audience or to provide an atmosphere?

Those are very different objectives.

Dinner and a Show: The Restaurant Experience

Pho Cao is also a restaurant, so food is part of the evening. The food was good, but the service was slow.

In a concert hall, the performance is the primary reason for attending. In a restaurant featuring live music, the evening combines dining, socializing, and listening. Slow service can be frustrating, though the pace may feel less urgent when you are already planning to spend the evening there.

Still, food and service contribute to the overall experience. The musicians may be excellent, but the quality of the evening depends on more than the performance alone.

Comparing Three Very Different Venues

My experiences at Arizona BBQ Shack, the Tempe Center for the Arts lobby, and Pho Cao are giving me a broader understanding of what makes a successful live music venue.

At a small restaurant or bar, the audience may be close enough to feel personally connected to the musicians, while the room’s layout, noise, and competing activities affect how the music is heard. At a performing arts center, even a lobby may offer more deliberate planning for audiences.

Pho Cao adds another variation. The stage is a focal point for those seated nearby, but the restaurant extends well beyond that listening area, making location especially important.

I am beginning to think there are at least three ways to experience live music:

  • Music as the main event: You arrive specifically to listen, and your attention remains focused on the performers.
  • Music as part of a social evening: You enjoy the performance while sharing dinner and conversation with friends.
  • Music as atmosphere: The musicians contribute to the character of the space, even when patrons are not actively listening.

None of these approaches is inherently wrong, but each creates different expectations for the performers, venue, and audience.

The Musician’s Perspective

I find myself wondering how these environments feel to the musicians.

What is it like to perform for an audience that can hear every note near the stage while people farther back cannot clearly distinguish the vocals? Does the musician direct the performance toward those closest to the stage? Do conversations and restaurant activity become distractions, or are they simply part of the environment?

These questions interest me because performing music involves more than technical ability; it also requires connecting with an audience. A venue can support that connection or make it more difficult.

What Makes a Good Music Venue?

After these experiences, I am less inclined to judge a venue by its size, appearance, or reputation. Instead, I am looking at the relationship between the musicians, audience, and physical space.

At Pho Cao, I enjoyed being close to the stage and spending the evening with Kim, Gary, our new acquaintance, and other locals. The food was good, and the atmosphere was casual and welcoming. But the uneven sound balance and slow service were also part of the experience.

The evening reinforced something I have been thinking about throughout this series: A good musical performance and a good live music experience are not necessarily the same thing.

The musicians provide the performance, but the venue determines how we experience it. Sometimes, moving just a few tables away can change everything.

Final Thoughts: Where You Sit Matters

My biggest takeaway from Pho Cao is how much perspective matters.

From ten feet away, the stage felt immediate and personal. Looking toward the back of the restaurant, I saw an entirely different listening environment. The photographs capture both perspectives, but they cannot fully document how differently the music sounded from each place in the room.

As I continue visiting venues, I want to pay closer attention not only to the performers but also to the architecture, acoustics, audience behavior, and overall experience.

Live music is never just about what happens onstage. It is also about everything happening around it.

And at Pho Cao, that was especially apparent.


Performing at Schnepf Farms: When the Music Becomes Part of the Background

An artist’s perspective on performing outdoors, competing for an audience’s attention, and discovering that not every stage creates the sam...